A few questions about speakup

Discussion:

Manuel Cortéz

2016-11-30 10:25:02 UTC

hello everyone,

I just decided to subscribe to this list for talking about speakup. I
have been using it some years ago for accessing to the Linux console (my
main environment was gnome, though). Now I'd like to ask you a few
questions, because I am trying to use only the console and speakup is a
very important part of my learning curve.

1. I have been noticing that there are some programs that are pretty
accessible with Speakup, others that require some modifications (config
files or speakup modifications) to improve their accessibility with the
screen reader, but I'd like to know how much accessible are ncurses
based interfaces with speakup? for a small project I am trying to do, I
have to create a few menus and some other widgets in the console, so
I've decided to use the python programming language and the curses
module already included. But for a strange reason, all of the examples
that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i
have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?
Do I need to use another programming language?

2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the speakup-tools
package and tried to look for a translation in my language (Spanish) but
it is not created yet. So basically I've downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a few
improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup messages. Seems
it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script
(I have not added this modification to the script located in the
repository, yet) so it list all directories in @pkgdatadir, looks for a
file called languagename in every directory and shows a menu with all
available languages. If called with -l you can set the language code
directly. Is it possible to send changes upstream somewhere?

3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a russian
translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could create a translation
for this language? More specifically, do you think speakup will not have
issues with the russian characters and their encoding? (I assume it
would be UTF-8, but I'd need to test).

thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.

Best Regards,
Manuel.

Willem van der Walt

2016-11-30 10:43:37 UTC

Permalink

Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric pad, switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the day, use the default curses library on your system.

I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here, but
utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they appear
correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
hello everyone,
I just decided to subscribe to this list for talking about speakup. I
have been using it some years ago for accessing to the Linux console (my
main environment was gnome, though). Now I'd like to ask you a few
questions, because I am trying to use only the console and speakup is a
very important part of my learning curve.
1. I have been noticing that there are some programs that are pretty
accessible with Speakup, others that require some modifications (config
files or speakup modifications) to improve their accessibility with the
screen reader, but I'd like to know how much accessible are ncurses
based interfaces with speakup? for a small project I am trying to do, I
have to create a few menus and some other widgets in the console, so
I've decided to use the python programming language and the curses
module already included. But for a strange reason, all of the examples > that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i > have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the speakup-tools
package and tried to look for a translation in my language (Spanish) but
it is not created yet. So basically I've downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a few
improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup messages. Seems > it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script
(I have not added this modification to the script located in the
file called languagename in every directory and shows a menu with all
available languages. If called with -l you can set the language code
directly. Is it possible to send changes upstream somewhere?
3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a russian
translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could create a translation
for this language? More specifically, do you think speakup will not have
issues with the russian characters and their encoding? (I assume it
would be UTF-8, but I'd need to test).
thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.
Best Regards,
Manuel.
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Jude DaShiell

2016-11-30 18:39:02 UTC

Permalink

How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric pad,
switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the day,
use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here, but
utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they appear
correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i >

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the speakup-tools
package and tried to look for a translation in my language (Spanish) but
it is not created yet. So basically I've downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a few
improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup messages. Seems >

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
(I have not added this modification to the script located in the
file called languagename in every directory and shows a menu with all
available languages. If called with -l you can set the language code
directly. Is it possible to send changes upstream somewhere?
3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a russian
translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could create a translation
for this language? More specifically, do you think speakup will not have
issues with the russian characters and their encoding? (I assume it
would be UTF-8, but I'd need to test).
thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.
Best Regards,
Manuel.
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Willem van der Walt

2016-12-01 05:40:15 UTC

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One would have to go through its documentation to find how to code it, but
look at curses-based programs like lynx which has the --show-cursor
option.
FWIW, Willem

Post by Jude DaShiell
How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric pad,
switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the

day,

use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here, but
utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they appear
correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i >

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

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Manuel Cortéz

2016-12-04 09:11:02 UTC

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Hi,

Thank you all for your replies. I have tried the same code using
libcurses in C and it works properly, however for python I have to
switch to highlights tracking in speakup to do the job. So I think I'll
use the C library for making the menus and call stuff from that, or try
to look a way for changing this preference in speakup every time I'd
need it.

Btw, I think the function for changing the cursor mode is the
curs_set(int); (0=invisible, 1=normal mode, 2=high visibility mode).

Post by Willem van der Walt
One would have to go through its documentation to find how to code it,
but look at curses-based programs like lynx which has the
--show-cursor option.
FWIW, Willem

Post by Jude DaShiell
How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric
pad, switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the

day,

use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here,
but utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they
appear correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i >

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the
speakup-tools package and tried to look for a translation in my
language (Spanish) but it is not created yet. So basically I've
downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a
few improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup
messages. Seems >

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
(I have not added this modification to the script located in the
for a file called languagename in every directory and shows a menu
with all available languages. If called with -l you can set the
language code directly. Is it possible to send changes upstream
somewhere?
3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a
russian translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could create
a translation for this language? More specifically, do you think
speakup will not have issues with the russian characters and their
encoding? (I assume it would be UTF-8, but I'd need to test).
thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.
Best Regards,
Manuel.
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Kirk Reiser

2016-12-04 16:38:24 UTC

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Hello Manuel: You certainly do cursor control with python no
problem. It is a tad fiddly until you get the basics set up to do it
as part of your screen updates but it works just fine with speakup
without having to revert to highlight tracking or anything like that.

Here is a web browser we wrote which we don't support any longer
because firefox has moved away from supporting anything other than
javascript but it works just fine with ff up to version 42 I believe.

git clone http://bmcginty.us/clifox.git

Here is another full text browser which we also don't support any
longer but for the sake of examples you can certainly look through the
code to see how it was done. The same way as clifox actually. We
morphed wb into clifox on many levels.

git clone http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git

I hope these are useful examples.

Kirk

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Hi,
Thank you all for your replies. I have tried the same code using
libcurses in C and it works properly, however for python I have to
switch to highlights tracking in speakup to do the job. So I think I'll
use the C library for making the menus and call stuff from that, or try
to look a way for changing this preference in speakup every time I'd
need it.
Btw, I think the function for changing the cursor mode is the
curs_set(int); (0=invisible, 1=normal mode, 2=high visibility mode).

Post by Willem van der Walt
One would have to go through its documentation to find how to code it,
but look at curses-based programs like lynx which has the
--show-cursor option.
FWIW, Willem

Post by Jude DaShiell
How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric
pad, switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the

day,

use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here,
but utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they
appear correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding to this. Do i >

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the
speakup-tools package and tried to look for a translation in my
language (Spanish) but it is not created yet. So basically I've
downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a
few improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup
messages. Seems >

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

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Manuel Cortéz

2016-12-04 18:19:22 UTC

Permalink

Thank you very much for the code. I will take a look there.

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hello Manuel: You certainly do cursor control with python no
problem. It is a tad fiddly until you get the basics set up to do it
as part of your screen updates but it works just fine with speakup
without having to revert to highlight tracking or anything like that.
Here is a web browser we wrote which we don't support any longer
because firefox has moved away from supporting anything other than
javascript but it works just fine with ff up to version 42 I believe.
git clone http://bmcginty.us/clifox.git
Here is another full text browser which we also don't support any
longer but for the sake of examples you can certainly look through the
code to see how it was done. The same way as clifox actually. We
morphed wb into clifox on many levels.
git clone http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git
I hope these are useful examples.
Kirk

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Hi,
Thank you all for your replies. I have tried the same code using
libcurses in C and it works properly, however for python I have to
switch to highlights tracking in speakup to do the job. So I think
I'll use the C library for making the menus and call stuff from that,
or try to look a way for changing this preference in speakup every
time I'd need it.
Btw, I think the function for changing the cursor mode is the
curs_set(int); (0=invisible, 1=normal mode, 2=high visibility mode).

Post by Willem van der Walt
One would have to go through its documentation to find how to code
it, but look at curses-based programs like lynx which has the
--show-cursor option.
FWIW, Willem

Post by Jude DaShiell
How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the
numeric pad, switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the

day,

use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here,
but utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they
appear correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the
speakup-tools package and tried to look for a translation in my
language (Spanish) but it is not created yet. So basically I've
downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in
a few improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup
messages. Seems >

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
(I have not added this modification to the script located in the
for a file called languagename in every directory and shows a
menu with all available languages. If called with -l you can set
the language code directly. Is it possible to send changes
upstream somewhere?
3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a
russian translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could
create a translation for this language? More specifically, do you
think speakup will not have issues with the russian characters
and their encoding? (I assume it would be UTF-8, but I'd need to
test).
thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.
Best Regards,
Manuel.
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Jude DaShiell

2016-12-04 21:24:06 UTC

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If anyone would be interested in supporting the useful parts of
javascript, edbrowse was written to support the useful parts for screen
readers and leaves out the rest. It was also removed from perl in its
current version and is now in one of the dialects of C by now. Not
anything I want to do with substantial code familiarization.

Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:38:24
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hello Manuel: You certainly do cursor control with python no
problem. It is a tad fiddly until you get the basics set up to do it
as part of your screen updates but it works just fine with speakup
without having to revert to highlight tracking or anything like that.
Here is a web browser we wrote which we don't support any longer
because firefox has moved away from supporting anything other than
javascript but it works just fine with ff up to version 42 I believe.
git clone http://bmcginty.us/clifox.git
Here is another full text browser which we also don't support any
longer but for the sake of examples you can certainly look through the
code to see how it was done. The same way as clifox actually. We
morphed wb into clifox on many levels.
git clone http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git
I hope these are useful examples.
Kirk

Post by Willem van der Walt
One would have to go through its documentation to find how to code it,
but look at curses-based programs like lynx which has the
--show-cursor option.
FWIW, Willem

Post by Jude DaShiell
How can curses be told not to lock the cursor?

Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 05:43:37
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: A few questions about speakup
Hi,
curses by default locks the cursor in one spot on the screen.
Pressing the button second from right in the top row of the numeric
pad, switches the cursor tracking of speakup.
curses can be told not to lock the cursor.
I am sure you can use python, as I think it is simply, at the end of the

day,

use the default curses library on your system.
I am not running the latest speakup, so might be out of date here,
but utf-8 does not work when you use cut and paste, although they
appear correct on the screen.
HTH, Willem

that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I am not sure

have to do something for improving the curses accessibility from Python?

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the
speakup-tools package and tried to look for a translation in my
language (Spanish) but it is not created yet. So basically I've
downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a
few improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup
messages. Seems >

it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale script

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While know nothing about curses, have put together a minimal form of a
menu system for bootup on the raspberry pi mini-computer, working with
speakUp, and, using python to generate menus, and, then receive prompt
input, and, it all works fine.

If relevant, all am then doing is using subprocess.call() function from
python to then execute shell commands, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

Post by Manuel CortÃ©z
hello everyone,
I just decided to subscribe to this list for talking about speakup. I
have been using it some years ago for accessing to the Linux console
(my main environment was gnome, though). Now I'd like to ask you a few
questions, because I am trying to use only the console and speakup is
a very important part of my learning curve.
1. I have been noticing that there are some programs that are pretty
accessible with Speakup, others that require some modifications
(config files or speakup modifications) to improve their accessibility
with the screen reader, but I'd like to know how much accessible are
ncurses based interfaces with speakup? for a small project I am trying
to do, I have to create a few menus and some other widgets in the
console, so I've decided to use the python programming language and
the curses module already included. But for a strange reason, all of
the examples that I have found don't work properly with speakup, and I
am not sure exactly why. I couldn't find any documentation regarding
to this. Do i have to do something for improving the curses
accessibility from Python? Do I need to use another programming language?
2. English is not my first language, so I've installed the
speakup-tools package and tried to look for a translation in my
language (Spanish) but it is not created yet. So basically I've
downloaded the repository at
http://linux-speakup.org/speakup-tools.git and started to work in a
few improvements and a spanish translation for the speakup messages.
Seems it's working properly. I also have changed the speakup_setlocale
script (I have not added this modification to the script located in
for a file called languagename in every directory and shows a menu
with all available languages. If called with -l you can set the
language code directly. Is it possible to send changes upstream
somewhere?
3. I am learning russian, and I've noticed that there isn not a
russian translation for speakup, it would be OK if we could create a
translation for this language? More specifically, do you think speakup
will not have issues with the russian characters and their encoding?
(I assume it would be UTF-8, but I'd need to test).
thank you in advance for your work in the Linux community.
Best Regards,
Manuel.
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