OT installing nfbtrans on Debian

Discussion:

Tom Fowle

2017-03-03 04:50:08 UTC

Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the
make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.

Can't find any info about the author
Thanks for any help
tom Fowle

Jude DaShiell

2017-03-03 13:19:46 UTC

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I had problems with that package too. I ended up using liblouis.
Another package tbrl turbobraille last version I knew about was 5.04
tbrl504 was written by Chuck Hallenbech. Depending on needs it may be
something that will work for you.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 23:50:08
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the
make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"
I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.
Can't find any info about the author
Thanks for any help
tom Fowle
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Tom Fowle

2017-03-04 21:16:17 UTC

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My reason for using nfbtrans is it's backtranslation ability I'm pretty sure
turbobraille doesn't have that but will check liblouis if I can't get
nfbtrans to fly.
Thanks
tom Fowle

Post by Jude DaShiell
I had problems with that package too. I ended up using liblouis.
Another package tbrl turbobraille last version I knew about was 5.04
tbrl504 was written by Chuck Hallenbech. Depending on needs it may
be something that will work for you.

Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 23:50:08
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"
I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.
Can't find any info about the author Thanks for any help
tom Fowle
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Kirk Reiser

2017-03-03 15:12:19 UTC

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Hi Tom: The person that wrote nfbtrans was my good friend Randy
Formenti. Unfortunately he isn't with us anymore. I have used nfbtrans
for more than fifteen years with no difficulties. I haven't tried
compiling Randy's latest version 7.79 but will in a little while and
will let you know if I have any problems. He released it just before I
retired and so didn't have a need for any newer version than I was
running which was 7.74.

Kirk

Post by Tom Fowle
Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the
make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"
I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.
Can't find any info about the author
Thanks for any help
tom Fowle
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Tom Fowle

2017-03-04 21:18:02 UTC

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Kirk,
I knew randy slightly, and sad he's no longer with us. I used and enjoyed
morse101 at times too.
Thanks
tom fowle

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hi Tom: The person that wrote nfbtrans was my good friend Randy
Formenti. Unfortunately he isn't with us anymore. I have used nfbtrans
for more than fifteen years with no difficulties. I haven't tried
compiling Randy's latest version 7.79 but will in a little while and
will let you know if I have any problems. He released it just before I
retired and so didn't have a need for any newer version than I was
running which was 7.74.
Kirk

Post by Tom Fowle
Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"
I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.
Can't find any info about the author Thanks for any help
tom Fowle
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Kirk Reiser

2017-03-03 15:40:35 UTC

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Hi again Tom: It compiled just fine here. There were a few warnings
about formatting issues but only three or four and none that affected
the operation of the program upon completion.

All I did was create an nfbtrans directory and unzip nfbtr779.zip into
that directory. Then I cd'd into the directory and ran make >make.out
2>&1 to capture the output. Give that a try and send me the output
file if you like.

Kirk

Tom Fowle

2017-03-04 21:22:25 UTC

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Kirk,
I think I only saw nfbtrans774 on the nfb site.
Will go look again, that's what I tried to install but it required some
futzing around as it is a cross platformzip

tom Fowle

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hi again Tom: It compiled just fine here. There were a few warnings
about formatting issues but only three or four and none that affected
the operation of the program upon completion.
All I did was create an nfbtrans directory and unzip nfbtr779.zip into
that directory. Then I cd'd into the directory and ran make >make.out
2>&1 to capture the output. Give that a try and send me the output
file if you like.
Kirk

Post by Tom Fowle
Trying to install nfbtrans on Debian wheezie
doing the make linux
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"
I can send a "script" of the process if anybody is familiar with this
problem, but don't want to clutter the list.
Can't find any info about the author Thanks for any help
tom Fowle
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Frost

2017-03-03 16:20:36 UTC

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Seems like Gentoo is the only distro that has nfbtrans in their
software package listings. Prolly won't happen in Debian as nfbtrans
isn't fully GNU licensed or whatever. --

Michael

Samuel Thibault

2017-03-04 14:40:34 UTC

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Post by Frost
Prolly won't happen in Debian

Never say never: nfbtrans has been on the TODO list on
http://wiki.debian.org/accessibility-devel/ for some time already. Just
nobody took the time to actually do it.

Post by Frost
as nfbtrans isn't fully GNU licensed or whatever.

Debian doesn't contain only GNU-licensed software. It contains whatever
is free software, which is way larger than what GNU accepts. "Public
domain" being the licence of nfbtrans, there is nothing against
including it in Debian, except volunteer time.

Samuel

Samuel Thibault

2017-03-04 14:41:39 UTC

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Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Indeed, that's now a standard function. What you can do is to add this
line:

#define getline mygetline

just before the line containing the first ocurrence of getline.

Samuel

Tom Fowle

2017-03-04 22:41:12 UTC

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Samuel's define fix worked.
Program works fine
We don't find v779, just v774 but I doubt I care as my needs are
non-critical.

Thanks Samuel and Kirk

tom Fowle

Post by Samuel Thibault
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Indeed, that's now a standard function. What you can do is to add this
#define getline mygetline
just before the line containing the first ocurrence of getline.
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Jude DaShiell

2017-03-05 05:41:49 UTC

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I almost got this to build on archlinux. With Samuel's patch, it couldn't
find termcap. I do have a termcap.h file so I will examine #include
directives and see if one for termcap needs a little modification for this
to build all the way. I have /usr/include/termcap.h on this system. On

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Jude DaShiell

2017-03-05 06:03:00 UTC

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Interestingly no mention is made of termcap in nfbtrans.c. Now I'm
going to examine Makefile.

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 00:41:49
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
I almost got this to build on archlinux. With Samuel's patch, it couldn't
find termcap. I do have a termcap.h file so I will examine #include
directives and see if one for termcap needs a little modification for this
to build all the way. I have /usr/include/termcap.h on this system. On

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Jude DaShiell

2017-03-05 06:12:28 UTC

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Okay, termcap is a lib in Makefile and once termcap package got
installed from the aur repository nfbtrans compiled with warnings but
nonetheless created an executable.

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Glenn At Home

2017-03-05 06:21:23 UTC

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I'm not sure of the implications of this thread is.
Is Make a tool for turning programs that are written for Windows, for
example, into programs for Linux?
Thanks for any info.
Glenn
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Okay, termcap is a lib in Makefile and once termcap package got
installed from the aur repository nfbtrans compiled with warnings but
nonetheless created an executable.

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

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Jude DaShiell

2017-03-05 13:36:02 UTC

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No, make is a general-purpose tool that can do and does several jobs
depending on the code in the Makefile. In nfbtrans specifically make
lowercase only does part of the dos to unix conversion job. The unzip
utility on linux has command line switches to do the job more
thoroughly. Had I used the switches in unzip I would not only have had
everything lowercase those ^m at the ends of lines would also be gone.
Probably the best way to describe make is that make is a tool for
managing groups of files.

Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 01:21:23
Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
I'm not sure of the implications of this thread is.
Is Make a tool for turning programs that are written for Windows, for
example, into programs for Linux?
Thanks for any info.
Glenn
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Okay, termcap is a lib in Makefile and once termcap package got
installed from the aur repository nfbtrans compiled with warnings but
nonetheless created an executable.

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

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Tom Fowle

2017-03-06 01:56:37 UTC

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Glenn,
NFBTRANS is a text to braille grade II translator
tom Fowle

Post by Glenn At Home
I'm not sure of the implications of this thread is.
Is Make a tool for turning programs that are written for Windows, for
example, into programs for Linux?
Thanks for any info.
Glenn
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Okay, termcap is a lib in Makefile and once termcap package got
installed from the aur repository nfbtrans compiled with warnings but
nonetheless created an executable.

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
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To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

Tom Fowle

2017-03-06 02:24:13 UTC

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Sorry for my last answer to the question Glenn didn't ask <GROAN>
Tom Fowle

Post by Tom Fowle
Glenn,
NFBTRANS is a text to braille grade II translator
tom Fowle

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Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

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Glenn At Home

2017-03-06 02:48:39 UTC

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Hi Tom,
That I knew, I have used it many times.
I got the impression that you were using a program to convert a windows
based program into a Linux based one.
Glenn
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From: "Tom Fowle" <***@fastmail.fm>
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Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian

Sorry for my last answer to the question Glenn didn't ask <GROAN>
Tom Fowle

Post by Tom Fowle
Glenn,
NFBTRANS is a text to braille grade II translator
tom Fowle

Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 09:41:39
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: OT installing nfbtrans on Debian
Hello,

Post by Tom Fowle
command gets an error about varying definitions of "getline"

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