Fedora23 workstation install

Discussion:

Jude DaShiell

2016-05-13 17:09:55 UTC

What are root password security requirements for Fedora23? How many
characters; what types of characters as minimums? Passwords I've entered
one of which was 14 characters in length may be too short, but the
installer doesn't complain coherently and explain exactly what is wrong
with a password so I can't tell what I'm doing wrong.

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Janina Sajka

2016-05-13 19:39:16 UTC

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afaik, there's no requirement. You could even have an empty passwd. That
would be more than foolish, of course, but you could do it. I can tell
you that my Fedora passwords are much shorter, for instance.

Are you perhaps getting confused by an evaluation widget that gives real time
feedback on the strength of your entered password? I believe there's
this kind of guidance going on in the graphical environment. My
passwords do well on that widget because I avoid correctly spelled
dictionary words, and I mix case, numerics, and punctuation into my
passwords. Still, the number of chars can be counted on your fingers.

hth

Janina

Post by Jude DaShiell
What are root password security requirements for Fedora23? How many
characters; what types of characters as minimums? Passwords I've entered
one of which was 14 characters in length may be too short, but the installer
doesn't complain coherently and explain exactly what is wrong with a
password so I can't tell what I'm doing wrong.
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Jude DaShiell

2016-05-14 02:53:02 UTC

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There is no such widget in fedora installer so far as I know. What
repeatedly happens on both fedora23workstation-x86-64 and
fedora24workstation-x86-64-beta is I enter a password for root then I
can hit enter or tab and enter the same password for confirmation and
then hit the _done button and am repeatedly told root password not set
user account will not be created. The downloaded beta version was from
bittorrent and Fedora23 was through wget since I couldn't find a torrent
for that iso.

If the fedora spins ever include the orca dependency stack, and if those
install better than workstation, I'll be able to run orca on kde and
start testing jovie and kaccessible but there doesn't appear to be any
interest in that by spin developers.

I thought in light of the difficulties that prompted this thread Fedora
had length and character requirements for root passwords like navy
passwords used to be 14 characters long and you had to have two upper
two lower two numbers and two symbols in them.

Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:39:16
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Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
afaik, there's no requirement. You could even have an empty passwd. That
would be more than foolish, of course, but you could do it. I can tell
you that my Fedora passwords are much shorter, for instance.
Are you perhaps getting confused by an evaluation widget that gives real time
feedback on the strength of your entered password? I believe there's
this kind of guidance going on in the graphical environment. My
passwords do well on that widget because I avoid correctly spelled
dictionary words, and I mix case, numerics, and punctuation into my
passwords. Still, the number of chars can be counted on your fingers.
hth
Janina

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Janina Sajka

2016-05-15 04:34:31 UTC

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Well, I don't know. You're using some kind of graphical widget, and I
don't bother with those. I simply open a console/terminal and enter the
passwd command. I get no molly coddling from the passwd command.

PS: Of course, you need to be root, to modify root's passwd.

Post by Jude DaShiell
There is no such widget in fedora installer so far as I know. What
repeatedly happens on both fedora23workstation-x86-64 and
fedora24workstation-x86-64-beta is I enter a password for root then I can
hit enter or tab and enter the same password for confirmation and then hit
the _done button and am repeatedly told root password not set user account
will not be created. The downloaded beta version was from bittorrent and
Fedora23 was through wget since I couldn't find a torrent for that iso.
If the fedora spins ever include the orca dependency stack, and if those
install better than workstation, I'll be able to run orca on kde and start
testing jovie and kaccessible but there doesn't appear to be any interest in
that by spin developers.
I thought in light of the difficulties that prompted this thread Fedora had
length and character requirements for root passwords like navy passwords
used to be 14 characters long and you had to have two upper two lower two
numbers and two symbols in them.

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Jude DaShiell

2016-05-15 23:35:07 UTC

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I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2
gnome-terminal using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with
a close button and once that close button is hit the command does not
execute.

Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 00:34:31
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Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
Well, I don't know. You're using some kind of graphical widget, and I
don't bother with those. I simply open a console/terminal and enter the
passwd command. I get no molly coddling from the passwd command.
PS: Of course, you need to be root, to modify root's passwd.

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Janina Sajka

2016-05-16 19:14:39 UTC

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Press enter on your command.

Also, in your password widget, have you made Orca sticky in the text
input field? i.e. Orca+A twice in rapid succession.

I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2 gnome-terminal
using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with a close button and
once that close button is hit the command does not execute.

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Jude DaShiell

2016-05-17 17:34:11 UTC

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What does making orca sticky do? That probably will be useful to know
for future. I did manage to get Fedora to install with root and user
accounts and had to use flat review in configuration screen and at the
bottom of the configuration screen there was an inaudible icon just
above the panel and when I hit enter on that icon, I was able to finish
the remainder of the installation. I also found out that initial gnome
setup program needs lots of accessibility repair; it was usable with
orca but barely. Add accounts screen one could move up and down but had
to hit enter on a selection to have it identify itself and then be able
to add account. Text boxes inside didn't identify themselves as such
either for user-id and password.

Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 15:14:39
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Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
Press enter on your command.
Also, in your password widget, have you made Orca sticky in the text
input field? i.e. Orca+A twice in rapid succession.

I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2 gnome-terminal
using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with a close button and
once that close button is hit the command does not execute.

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Janina Sajka

2016-05-18 14:06:01 UTC

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Orca's "sticky mode" keeps you in a text edit field until you expressly
leave it, e.g. by tabbing out.

This can be very useful in those situations where beginning to type
actually takes you out of the edit field because of the way the
underlying code was written.

An example is the password entry field when logging into Last Pass.

I've no idea whether your problems using the Fedora screens are related,
but it sure sounds like they could be at least part of the problem.

Yes, it's a good command to know and use. Orca+A twice in succession,
and Orca will say "Focus mode is sticky."

PS: Glad to hear you were successful with the install, though you're
also confirming what we've known for sometime about the Fedora
installer.

I'll have to try it myself the next time I need to do a fresh install on
some machine.

hth

Janina

What does making orca sticky do? That probably will be useful to know for
future. I did manage to get Fedora to install with root and user accounts
and had to use flat review in configuration screen and at the bottom of the
configuration screen there was an inaudible icon just above the panel and
when I hit enter on that icon, I was able to finish the remainder of the
installation. I also found out that initial gnome setup program needs lots
of accessibility repair; it was usable with orca but barely. Add accounts
screen one could move up and down but had to hit enter on a selection to
have it identify itself and then be able to add account. Text boxes inside
didn't identify themselves as such either for user-id and password.

I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2 gnome-terminal
using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with a close button and
once that close button is hit the command does not execute.

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Jude DaShiell

2016-05-18 15:22:35 UTC

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Thanks much for the skinny on orca+a, if you try an install of fedora
again you might want to run that initial gnome setup program and try
orca+a inside of it when you get to the text fields. It could be orca+a
makes that program lots more accessible and usable.

Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 10:06:01
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Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
Orca's "sticky mode" keeps you in a text edit field until you expressly
leave it, e.g. by tabbing out.
This can be very useful in those situations where beginning to type
actually takes you out of the edit field because of the way the
underlying code was written.
An example is the password entry field when logging into Last Pass.
I've no idea whether your problems using the Fedora screens are related,
but it sure sounds like they could be at least part of the problem.
Yes, it's a good command to know and use. Orca+A twice in succession,
and Orca will say "Focus mode is sticky."
PS: Glad to hear you were successful with the install, though you're
also confirming what we've known for sometime about the Fedora
installer.
I'll have to try it myself the next time I need to do a fresh install on
some machine.
hth
Janina

What does making orca sticky do? That probably will be useful to know for
future. I did manage to get Fedora to install with root and user accounts
and had to use flat review in configuration screen and at the bottom of the
configuration screen there was an inaudible icon just above the panel and
when I hit enter on that icon, I was able to finish the remainder of the
installation. I also found out that initial gnome setup program needs lots
of accessibility repair; it was usable with orca but barely. Add accounts
screen one could move up and down but had to hit enter on a selection to
have it identify itself and then be able to add account. Text boxes inside
didn't identify themselves as such either for user-id and password.

I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2 gnome-terminal
using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with a close button and
once that close button is hit the command does not execute.

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