Discussion:
Testers wanted for BATS talking rescue CD
Tony Baechler
2017-05-14 13:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Hi all,

As some of you might remember, I posted test talking live CD images last
year. I got very little feedback, most of which was understandably negative.
Those old CD images are still available, but I'm happy to announce the third
major rebuild. Everything has been redone from scratch. At least in KVM, it
boots much faster and seems more responsive. It no longer uses systemd and
doesn't include Network Manager. I really, desperately need testers. I can't
test wireless or Braille here. I have limited hardware. What would be
helpful is for people to test on as many different hardware and sound setups
as possible. Let me know what doesn't work. Here is what you need to know:

1. It's a 64-bit image only. I will produce a 32-bit image if there is
enough demand. It runs on x86_64 hardware. I tested it with 1 GB of memory,
but it should require less. The concept, idea and package lists were
borrowed from the Devuan minimal live CD. This image adds many more packages
and is based on plain vanilla Debian testing. It uses standard sysvinit. I
have no plans to switch to systemd. I tried systemd on the other images and
ran into lots of problems, including being much less responsive and not
letting people login on some hardware.

2. It includes brltty but it might not start automatically. If Braille
doesn't work, try starting it manually. The version is from Debian stable to
avoid the systemd dependency.

3. It has a lot of non-free firmware and wireless tools, so hopefully your
wifi should be detected. It automatically tries DHCP. It includes the
standard openssh server which generates new host keys at every boot for
better security. I haven't tested ssh login yet.

4. The boot menus still need a lot of work. It does boot, but there is no
audible feedback. Just press Enter to start the boot process. This will be
fixed soon.

5. It uses my 4.10.7 Speakup kernel, so hardware speech should work without
issues. You probably have to rmmod speakup_soft and modprobe your synth
module by hand. It uses standard syslinux, so there might be a way to do
this at the boot prompt. I'm not sure. Here are sample commands, as root:

rmmod speakup_soft ; modprobe speakup_ltlk

The login user is "bats" with no password. You can't currently login as
root, but sudo works as expected. If you don't have networking, try running
setnet or setnet.sh and follow the prompts. It can be installed to a hard
drive, but I highly recommend against it and I will offer no support for
hard drive installations. Almost all packages are from Debian testing. You
should be able to add and remove packages as normal. There is no security
support. There are almost certainly security issues. It should run from USB,
virtual machines like KVM and burning the .iso to a standard CD. You may run
"refractainstaller" if you want to try installing, but again, this is highly
discouraged. It's meant as a live and rescue CD, not an installable distro.
It includes several games and utilities, but if you know of more which
should be included, please shout.

Other than hardware, wireless and Braille testing, the biggest thing I need
now is a list of missing packages. I tried to include everything obvious,
but I'm sure your favorite tool isn't there. I have about 200 MB left to
work with, so please send suggestions. You can email me privately or post
here. I'm working on a mailing list for discussion. The list just needs to
be configured. Also, I'm looking for at least one co-maintainer to release
updates periodically with the latest packages. Please let me know if you're
interested.

Here is the download link for the .iso and SHA256 checksum:

http://iavit.org/~bats/

Thanks to iavit.org for hosting. It's called bats64 with the snapshot date.
Again, let me know if it doesn't work for you or if you run into problems.
Thanks for your feedback!

To email me privately about this CD image or for support options, please
write to bats at batsupport dot com.
Glenn At Home
2017-05-14 22:33:18 UTC
Permalink
A good one to add IMO is a typing program.
It would be nice for my clients who need to practice their typing skills, or
just plain learn to type.
Glenn

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From: "Tony Baechler" <***@baechler.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
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<blinux-***@redhat.com>; <***@iavit.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:27 AM
Subject: Testers wanted for BATS talking rescue CD


Hi all,

As some of you might remember, I posted test talking live CD images last
year. I got very little feedback, most of which was understandably negative.
Those old CD images are still available, but I'm happy to announce the third
major rebuild. Everything has been redone from scratch. At least in KVM, it
boots much faster and seems more responsive. It no longer uses systemd and
doesn't include Network Manager. I really, desperately need testers. I can't
test wireless or Braille here. I have limited hardware. What would be
helpful is for people to test on as many different hardware and sound setups
as possible. Let me know what doesn't work. Here is what you need to know:

1. It's a 64-bit image only. I will produce a 32-bit image if there is
enough demand. It runs on x86_64 hardware. I tested it with 1 GB of memory,
but it should require less. The concept, idea and package lists were
borrowed from the Devuan minimal live CD. This image adds many more packages
and is based on plain vanilla Debian testing. It uses standard sysvinit. I
have no plans to switch to systemd. I tried systemd on the other images and
ran into lots of problems, including being much less responsive and not
letting people login on some hardware.

2. It includes brltty but it might not start automatically. If Braille
doesn't work, try starting it manually. The version is from Debian stable to
avoid the systemd dependency.

3. It has a lot of non-free firmware and wireless tools, so hopefully your
wifi should be detected. It automatically tries DHCP. It includes the
standard openssh server which generates new host keys at every boot for
better security. I haven't tested ssh login yet.

4. The boot menus still need a lot of work. It does boot, but there is no
audible feedback. Just press Enter to start the boot process. This will be
fixed soon.

5. It uses my 4.10.7 Speakup kernel, so hardware speech should work without
issues. You probably have to rmmod speakup_soft and modprobe your synth
module by hand. It uses standard syslinux, so there might be a way to do
this at the boot prompt. I'm not sure. Here are sample commands, as root:

rmmod speakup_soft ; modprobe speakup_ltlk

The login user is "bats" with no password. You can't currently login as
root, but sudo works as expected. If you don't have networking, try running
setnet or setnet.sh and follow the prompts. It can be installed to a hard
drive, but I highly recommend against it and I will offer no support for
hard drive installations. Almost all packages are from Debian testing. You
should be able to add and remove packages as normal. There is no security
support. There are almost certainly security issues. It should run from USB,
virtual machines like KVM and burning the .iso to a standard CD. You may run
"refractainstaller" if you want to try installing, but again, this is highly
discouraged. It's meant as a live and rescue CD, not an installable distro.
It includes several games and utilities, but if you know of more which
should be included, please shout.

Other than hardware, wireless and Braille testing, the biggest thing I need
now is a list of missing packages. I tried to include everything obvious,
but I'm sure your favorite tool isn't there. I have about 200 MB left to
work with, so please send suggestions. You can email me privately or post
here. I'm working on a mailing list for discussion. The list just needs to
be configured. Also, I'm looking for at least one co-maintainer to release
updates periodically with the latest packages. Please let me know if you're
interested.

Here is the download link for the .iso and SHA256 checksum:

http://iavit.org/~bats/

Thanks to iavit.org for hosting. It's called bats64 with the snapshot date.
Again, let me know if it doesn't work for you or if you run into problems.
Thanks for your feedback!

To email me privately about this CD image or for support options, please
write to bats at batsupport dot com.

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Tony Baechler
2017-05-16 12:15:43 UTC
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First, do you have the name of a package in mind? Just saying "a typing
program" isn't very helpful. They could just run nano and type in a text editor.

I know I'm missing something here, but how does this apply to a live/rescue
CD? I guess you could have your clients boot the CD every time they want to
practice typing, but wouldn't it be better to install a regular distro on a
hard drive? I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't understand. Please
explain further.
Post by Glenn At Home
A good one to add IMO is a typing program.
It would be nice for my clients who need to practice their typing skills, or
just plain learn to type.
Glenn
Glenn At Home
2017-05-16 23:38:35 UTC
Permalink
I thought that since there was games on the distro, why not a typing
program.
There are a couple in Windows for Blind users, like Talking Typing Teacher,
and Type-Ability.
But an accessible Linux-based typing program would be useful, and help the
Blind to type.
The Blind need typing skills more than the sighted do, because we cannot
really "hunt and peck".
So although I don't know of any typing programs for Linux, I thought someone
might know.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Baechler" <***@baechler.net>
To: "Glenn At Home" <***@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux." <***@linux-speakup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Testers wanted for BATS talking rescue CD


First, do you have the name of a package in mind? Just saying "a typing
program" isn't very helpful. They could just run nano and type in a text
editor.

I know I'm missing something here, but how does this apply to a live/rescue
CD? I guess you could have your clients boot the CD every time they want to
practice typing, but wouldn't it be better to install a regular distro on a
hard drive? I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't understand. Please
explain further.
Post by Glenn At Home
A good one to add IMO is a typing program.
It would be nice for my clients who need to practice their typing skills, or
just plain learn to type.
Glenn
Chime Hart
2017-05-16 23:42:12 UTC
Permalink
Actually Glen, whether there are typing programs in Linux, you could look in DOS
and run with dosemu
Chime
Jude DaShiell
2017-05-24 20:24:35 UTC
Permalink
I can't do anything until my wireless adapter arrives, but will suggest wcalc as a very good command line calculator package if not already installed.

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On May 14, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Tony Baechler <***@baechler.net> wrote:

Hi all,

As some of you might remember, I posted test talking live CD images last
year. I got very little feedback, most of which was understandably negative.
Those old CD images are still available, but I'm happy to announce the third
major rebuild. Everything has been redone from scratch. At least in KVM, it
boots much faster and seems more responsive. It no longer uses systemd and
doesn't include Network Manager. I really, desperately need testers. I can't
test wireless or Braille here. I have limited hardware. What would be
helpful is for people to test on as many different hardware and sound setups
as possible. Let me know what doesn't work. Here is what you need to know:

1. It's a 64-bit image only. I will produce a 32-bit image if there is
enough demand. It runs on x86_64 hardware. I tested it with 1 GB of memory,
but it should require less. The concept, idea and package lists were
borrowed from the Devuan minimal live CD. This image adds many more packages
and is based on plain vanilla Debian testing. It uses standard sysvinit. I
have no plans to switch to systemd. I tried systemd on the other images and
ran into lots of problems, including being much less responsive and not
letting people login on some hardware.

2. It includes brltty but it might not start automatically. If Braille
doesn't work, try starting it manually. The version is from Debian stable to
avoid the systemd dependency.

3. It has a lot of non-free firmware and wireless tools, so hopefully your
wifi should be detected. It automatically tries DHCP. It includes the
standard openssh server which generates new host keys at every boot for
better security. I haven't tested ssh login yet.

4. The boot menus still need a lot of work. It does boot, but there is no
audible feedback. Just press Enter to start the boot process. This will be
fixed soon.

5. It uses my 4.10.7 Speakup kernel, so hardware speech should work without
issues. You probably have to rmmod speakup_soft and modprobe your synth
module by hand. It uses standard syslinux, so there might be a way to do
this at the boot prompt. I'm not sure. Here are sample commands, as root:

rmmod speakup_soft ; modprobe speakup_ltlk

The login user is "bats" with no password. You can't currently login as
root, but sudo works as expected. If you don't have networking, try running
setnet or setnet.sh and follow the prompts. It can be installed to a hard
drive, but I highly recommend against it and I will offer no support for
hard drive installations. Almost all packages are from Debian testing. You
should be able to add and remove packages as normal. There is no security
support. There are almost certainly security issues. It should run from USB,
virtual machines like KVM and burning the .iso to a standard CD. You may run
"refractainstaller" if you want to try installing, but again, this is highly
discouraged. It's meant as a live and rescue CD, not an installable distro.
It includes several games and utilities, but if you know of more which
should be included, please shout.

Other than hardware, wireless and Braille testing, the biggest thing I need
now is a list of missing packages. I tried to include everything obvious,
but I'm sure your favorite tool isn't there. I have about 200 MB left to
work with, so please send suggestions. You can email me privately or post
here. I'm working on a mailing list for discussion. The list just needs to
be configured. Also, I'm looking for at least one co-maintainer to release
updates periodically with the latest packages. Please let me know if you're
interested.

Here is the download link for the .iso and SHA256 checksum:

http://iavit.org/~bats/

Thanks to iavit.org for hosting. It's called bats64 with the snapshot date.
Again, let me know if it doesn't work for you or if you run into problems.
Thanks for your feedback!

To email me privately about this CD image or for support options, please
write to bats at batsupport dot com.

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