Using Speakup with VI/VIM: Keybinding query

Discussion:

Zahari Yurukov

2017-08-02 16:30:29 UTC

Hi,
'j' and 'k' are not "voiced" here, too. 'w' and 'b' are unreliable.
I'm using vim, haven't tried vi or neovim.
It's not the cursoring mode - I've tried on, off and highlight tracking.
If it works correctly for you Kirk - it might be another setting.
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James Austin wrote:
Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 05:07:32PM +0100

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do
speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.
Kirk

Hello everyone,
For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had difficulty in
navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).
I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further advice that may
be available please.
Thank you
Take care
James
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Jude DaShiell

2017-08-02 16:35:17 UTC

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any mention of arrow keys in those configurations? Could it be
something is disabled with those keys?

Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:30:29
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Using Speakup with VI/VIM: Keybinding query
Hi,
'j' and 'k' are not "voiced" here, too. 'w' and 'b' are unreliable.
I'm using vim, haven't tried vi or neovim.
It's not the cursoring mode - I've tried on, off and highlight tracking.
If it works correctly for you Kirk - it might be another setting.
--
Best wishes,
Zahari
Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 05:07:32PM +0100

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

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Zahari Yurukov

2017-08-02 19:47:43 UTC

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Hi,
Arrow keys have always worked fine.
The problem is only with the vim's j, k, w, b navigation in normal mode.
f and t movement commands are also not reported reliably.
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Best wishes,
Zahari

Jude DaShiell wrote:
Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 12:35:17PM -0400

any mention of arrow keys in those configurations? Could it be something is
disabled with those keys?

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do

speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.

Kirk

Hello everyone,

For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had

difficulty in

navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).

I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further

advice that may

be available please.

Thank you
Take care
James
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Jude DaShiell

2017-08-02 23:46:45 UTC

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As an elimination test, why not install elvis and try the same things in
elvis. It's possible code for those things differs from vim and may not
produce those errors.

Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:47:43
Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Using Speakup with VI/VIM: Keybinding query
Hi,
Arrow keys have always worked fine.
The problem is only with the vim's j, k, w, b navigation in normal mode.
f and t movement commands are also not reported reliably.
--
Best wishes,
Zahari
Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 12:35:17PM -0400

any mention of arrow keys in those configurations? Could it be something is
disabled with those keys?

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do

speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.

Kirk

Hello everyone,

For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had

difficulty in

navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).

I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further

advice that may

be available please.

Thank you
Take care
James
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Kirk Reiser

2017-08-03 01:35:55 UTC

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Hi Zahari: No, I was just stabbing in the dark. I use emacs as my
editor.

Kirk

Post by Zahari Yurukov
Hi,
'j' and 'k' are not "voiced" here, too. 'w' and 'b' are unreliable.
I'm using vim, haven't tried vi or neovim.
It's not the cursoring mode - I've tried on, off and highlight tracking.
If it works correctly for you Kirk - it might be another setting.
--
Best wishes,
Zahari
Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 05:07:32PM +0100

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

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Austin Seraphin

2017-08-03 01:39:46 UTC

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I use Emacs with Evil, which gives Vim key bindings, and have the same
results. I believe that Speakup gets confused when non-cursor movement
keys move the cursor.

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hi Zahari: No, I was just stabbing in the dark. I use emacs as my
editor.
Kirk

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do

speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.

Kirk

Hello everyone,

For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had

difficulty in

navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).

I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further

advice that may

be available please.

Thank you
Take care
James
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Kirk Reiser

2017-08-03 12:58:45 UTC

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Hi James et al: You don't realize how right you are James. Speakup has
no real notion of what to do with a changed cursor position.

I didn't know a nice clean way of handling on screen activities so I
just made speakup call say_character() when the cursor position changed
by an increment or decrement. I made it call say_current_line() when
the cursor moved virtically up or down. That's it. That is the
complete amount of cursor handling it does in cursor tracking mode. We
tried to make it recognize the most likely highlight to follow in
highlight tracking mode but none of it's handling is very
suffisticated.

For most situations it handles remarkably well but in truth the whole
method could be revisited and redesigned to handle more involved
realities.

Post by Austin Seraphin
I use Emacs with Evil, which gives Vim key bindings, and have the same
results. I believe that Speakup gets confused when non-cursor movement
keys move the cursor.

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hi Zahari: No, I was just stabbing in the dark. I use emacs as my
editor.
Kirk

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do

speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.

Kirk

Hello everyone,

For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had

difficulty in

navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).

I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further

advice that may

be available please.

Thank you
Take care
James
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Kirk Reiser

2017-08-03 13:01:29 UTC

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Woops! Sorry Austin. I was concentrating on the topic so much I got
your name wrong. Please forgive me.

Post by Austin Seraphin
I use Emacs with Evil, which gives Vim key bindings, and have the same
results. I believe that Speakup gets confused when non-cursor movement
keys move the cursor.

Post by Kirk Reiser
Hi Zahari: No, I was just stabbing in the dark. I use emacs as my
editor.
Kirk

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

Hi James: Do you have cursoring mode turned on? If you do

speakup-slash it will rotate through options which you stop on when
you get to the one you wish. The activity you describe sounds like it
may not be tracking the pc cursor.

Kirk

Hello everyone,

For those who use VI/VIM with Speakup, has anyone had

difficulty in

navigating while using Speakup? Speakup seems to happily read by
character left and right (l) but neither up or down, (j,k).

I have set noruler, but would appreciate any further

advice that may

be available please.

Thank you
Take care
James
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Janina Sajka

2017-08-04 23:13:22 UTC

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j and k working here with vim.

Also w and b, as well as W and B.

I love vim.

Janina

Hi Kirk
Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Why didn't I think of that?
Take care
James

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